Die Familie hat manchmal gelacht, well er hat gerne nach Gimbels zu gehen, well seine Frau war mit die Gimbels Familie verwandet. ("He never was at home, but always walked around The family laughed sometimes, because he liked to go to Gimbels because his wife was related to the Gimbel's family.")
Judge: (his manner slightly puzzled) "Was ist Gimbels?" (What is Gimbels?")
Rose: "Kennen Sie vielleicht Macy's?" ("Perhaps you know Macy's.")
Judge: "Macy's"
Rose: "R.H.Macy's"
Ernst's voice from behind: "Bitte, die sind grosse Warenhaeuser."
("Please they are large department stores")
General laughter.
Judge: "Und was macht er bei Gimbels?" ("And what does he do at Gimbels?")
Rose: "Er wollte sehen, sie das Geschaeft geht und er hat Brief‐ marken gerne gesammelt und hat machmal Briefmarken gekauft."
("He wanted to see how business was going and he liked to collect postage stamps and he bought postage stamps sometimes.")
Judge: "Ah, Briefmarkensammlung." He seemed happy at the idea. "und was hat er sonst noch gemacht?" ("Ah, Postage collection and what else did he do?")
Rose: "Er ging auch zu dem Bibliothek. Und wissen Sie, dahin zu gehen, er musste drei viertel Stunden im subway fahren und das meint, Treppen oben und unten zu gehen. Er ging auch zu einem Club." ("He also went to the Library. You know In order to go there he had to ride the subway for three quarters of an hour and this means to walk up and down the staircase. He also went to a club.")

Now the second judge indicated that he wished to question me and something about his manner gave me the feeling he was a bit mistrustful and a little less on our side. Perhaps this was the case because, as I was later informed, it would be he who would have to submit the reasons for the decision.
Second Judge: "Was hat er in Bibliothek gemacht?" ("What did he do in the Library?") My husband explained later that the Judge was trying to find out if father did any work in the Library and was not as dumb as I thought.
Rose, puzzled: "Was machen Alle in ein Bibliothek? Buecher gelesen und Buecher eingeschaut." ("What does anyone do in a library. He read books and looked at books.")
Second Judge: "So Sie werden sagen, dass der Herr Tuchmann war immer ein ganz gesunder Mann. Und was wissen Sie von seinem Tod?" ("so you say that Mr. Tuchmann was always a pretty healthy man. And what do you know about his death?").
Rose: "Er war in einem Urlaub. Eine Nacht war ein Fest und morgen frueh, wenn er ist nicht zum Fruehstueck gekommen, es war ausgefunden, dass er ist im Schlafe gestorben. Vorher, er hat nie ein Tag Krankheit und wir waren immer stolz wie er aussieht." ("He was on furlough. One night there was a celebration and in the morning when he did not come to breakfeast, it was found that he had passed away in his sleep. Previously, he was not sick for one day and we were always proud how he looked." )